Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Justjules13 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:49 pm

He sounds committed...good for him!
It's really hell...I had really bad headaches tapering under 10mg of meth and went to sub (bad idea!)
My head felt like it was in a vice.
Ibuprofen around the clock too!
Hang in there!
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:34 pm

Ok Cheeps we will double up tomorrow. Jules he really is committed. To suffer through 16 days of this shit he has to be. I'm feeling more hopeful as each day goes by. Still though in the back of my mind I can't help but worry. He jumped from a massive dose, he had seven years of opiate use prior to going on meth last year. And like Stepper told me "be prepared for an extended withdraw". All these things roll around in my head, and it does his too. He told me again a little while ago..."Don't worry, if it keeps getting worse and I can't bear it anymore, I'll go back to the clinic long before I'll take another pain pill." One day at a time.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby mynameisDAN82 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:17 pm

Its hard to look past the moments when you couldn't possibly feel any worse.. Keep reminding him, it WILL get better. As obvious as that is, it still helps to be reassured :D

Gabapentin(?) I was given the 100mg pills, recommended to take 1 three times a day, didn't help at all.. jules would be able to confirm this, but I am under the impression it takes closer to 1 dose of atleast 600mgs to really make a difference..
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:54 pm

Thanks Dan. I'll have him to go higher on the gabapentin/neurotin tomorrow. I do a lot of pep talks. Probably to the point of getting on his nerves. He's got the grouchies really bad (which is understandable). The fiance is catching most of that. This is extremely stressful on all three of us.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby cheeps » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:10 am

He can take a max dose of 3600mgs a day during detox divided into 3 doses....so you can see how just a few 100 mgs may not be effective. If he takes larger doses after a month he will need to taper over the course of a month.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Justjules13 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:17 am

When your in the thick of it, like he is, you wouldn't believe the battle that rages in your head. His head is SCREAMING at him to go back to the clinic, and another, smaller voice is telling him he has a chance to be free. As days pass, the loud one will get softer...but it can literally be a deafening shriek at times.
Your a good mom for understanding and supporting him...he really needs that.
Things should start looking up after the third week...they get better SO slowly that it's maddening.
Has his eye sight gone bad suddenly? Mine sure did in the first couple weeks of WD.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:01 pm

I had a busy day and forgot to ask him about his vision. He is GROUCHY AS HELL!!! I feel for fiance. I steered clear of it. Day 17 wasn't so great but I guess it could of been worse. Slowly approaching that three week mark.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby cheeps » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:11 pm

Baglady wrote:I had a busy day and forgot to ask him about his vision. He is GROUCHY AS HELL!!! I feel for fiance. I steered clear of it. Day 17 wasn't so great but I guess it could of been worse. Slowly approaching that three week mark.



He needs a punching bag....I hope the fiance knows to take NOTHING PERSONALLY now.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:39 pm

She is young and never had any parts of pills, cigarettes, drinking or weed. It's been real tough on her but in the morning she starts a new job. That will help her alot. I have gotten some education from you guys and I know how to handle it. I did spend some time with her a little while ago and explained what is going on here. Hopefully this will help. I've also been reading that link you posted. I printed it out so they can read it to. We are heading into day 18 and he's still hanging in there so we need to start learning about the next phase. She's a smart girl and I know she loves him. The best thing I can do for her is to educate her.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Not a 12 stepper » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:43 pm

At least his chick won't be tempting him to buy pills...
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:54 pm

You said that right Stepper. I had a hell of a time with some of his past girlfriends. They were walking drug stores. This girl here came to me wanting to rent a little home. She was nineteen and had just took her crack addicted mother to court and won custody of her 12 year old brother. I told her she sounded too young and she kept putting up a fuss. In the back of my mind I was thinking this might be the one. I told her to come over and let me look at her. She more than passed the looks test. I was really impressed with her so I rented her a home, hoping........nature took it's course. She has stuck by through some hard times. She'll make it.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:46 pm

Day 18 One of the worst if not the worst he says. Can't sleep, major headache, In a lot of pain. Fiance handling things much better.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby cheeps » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:13 am

Needs 2 weeks worth of muscle relaxers.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Justjules13 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:43 am

Methadone...the drug that just keeps giving...
Are you useing lopermide? He can take a lot of it, as long as it doesn't stop him up too bad. (I took 20 pills to stop WD from sub) It's not a dangerous drug unless it stops you up so bad you can't poop. Junkies call it "over the counter methadone". It is a opiate and it might stop the WD process...but he sounds like he needs a break.
What do you think Cheeps?
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby cheeps » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:29 am

He needs some serious comfort meds that's for sure. I still think they could get some damn dr to handout some flex.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:44 am

Day 18 Finally a little break. He got some sleep and had a fairly decent day. I was getting worried about all these terrible days in a row, that would wear anybody down. His spirits was better today. Thanks Cheeps for the help.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:26 pm

Day 19- This was the best day since he jumped. He don't feel like running any marathons by no means, but this was the first day I've seen him smile since he jumped. He was very talkative and voluntarily engaged in conversation. Tomorrow is the three week mark. I hope this is a sign that he is coming out of the "worst of it".
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Not a 12 stepper » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:39 pm

I had some serious ups and downs for 4 full weeks, and then more good days than bad for another 2 weeks. The worst is over as far as severity of withdrawal symptoms, it just sucks to feel lingering methadone withdrawal symptoms still upsetting your system after detoxing for 6 weeks. But thanks to you, Baglady, and his gal, I think he's got the support he needs to be successfull.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Baglady » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:52 am

Thanks Stepper. He knows he has plenty more bad days to deal with but yesterday was motivating. I'm getting mixed up on what day it is. I've been working ungodly hours lately. Yesterday was day 20. Jules- he is taking much more immodium. We ran out of the neurotin. He says weed helps alot.
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Re: Quitting Meth Cold Turkey....need help

Postby Justjules13 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:53 am

I think it's ok for him to take a lot of immodium as long as it doesn't stop him up. I was taking 20 pills at a time. I got the cheap bottles of it at Costco (lopermide) but had to stop taking it cuz it stopped me up too much. I didn't feel much relief from below 10 pills (20 mg) but between 12-20 pills really helped, but also paralyzed my gut.
I've read that it slows down the WD too much and you end up having to taper the "poop pills".
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