4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

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4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby Ready2BDone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:17 am

Good morning! I have read all there is to read on the internet about coming off suboxone. I am on a generic, (due to insurance of course) and am taking the equivalent of 4mg of Zubsolv. I’ve beem at 3 mg for the past few days. Plan to take it slowly, but alas, I am impatient and want to be thru by the first of the coming year. Is this possible? Also, I’ve aready asked my doc to switch me to the strips, but my insurance refuses. I can only get the ~2mg zubsolvs into 4 pieces. Which is roughly .5 mg. From what I’ve heard, that’s still to big to jump at? I’m afraid I have no choice though. Has anyone had success jumping from .5 mg? Maybe taking it every other day at the end and then every 2 days? I am afraid. I started at 16 mg 4 years ago and am at 3-4mg steady now.

By the way, I am a 26 year old female, in good health, a very high metabolism, but a smoker. I have 2 small kids and a full time job. I am active in a recovery program and NOBODY knows I am on this except my S/O who is extremely supportive. I get strength just from reading your all’s experience. Thanks for any help.
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:30 am

It's very easy to do this girl...especially with 2mg pills. I'm on my phone and at work so I'll get back later this evening. Don't be afraid.....We can help you mitigate any wds and we can help you get really low before you jump. Just don't tell Dr that you are getting off....and you need too aim for 6 months so stockpile...be back later.

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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby Ready2BDone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:38 am

Thank so for the response! I am not telling my dr anything, although as far as sub drs go, he’s extremely supportive. HE suggested I taper, and says he’ll do anything I like as far as the taper goes. I am pleasantly surprised by him. Unfortunately, I don’t really have 6 months. My insurance is being cancelled, and I cannot afford out of pocket cost for more than a month or two. I am a goal oriented person (which bites me sometimes) and I’ve set my mind to January 1, 2018. I have made a spreadsheet of how I’ll do it. Now I just have to execute it ha!
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:48 am

No...n you must stockpile until then so you can go over.....no spread sheets. Just tell Dr you have changed your mind and want to stay on another year before you taper. Stockpile now so you can have it later. Setting dates can get you into trouble big time. This drug is different....
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:50 am

I'll explain later but you can't force a timeframe for this, unless you don't mind some big time mental and physical shit?

If you can deal with a month of no sleep then we can get you off by January 1.
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby Ready2BDone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:08 am

Thank you. God, I am just so disappointed for letting myself go down this road. I will post my taper plan and maybe someone can help me tweak it from there? I don’t remember any pain going from 16mg to 3mg. It’s super hard at this point for me personally though.

Week 1- 3 mg
Week 2- 2.5 mg
Week 3- 2 mg
Week 4- 1.5 mg
Week 5- 1 mg
Week 6- 0.5 mg
0 mg
.5 mg
0 mg
0 mg
.25 mg
0 mg
0 mg
.25 mg and then jump!!
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:23 pm

Your problem is after week four. Instead of dropping by the day/week.....you NEED to drop by the percentage of dose. To be stable at all we advocate 20% cuts every 7-10 days.....in week four you will be doing a 25% cut and then it gets ugly....it takes at least seven days to stabilize at all, you are counting on five.

If you get your sub every week until December 31, how much will you have TOTAL at your current dose of 3mgs? What I would like to do is help you maximize the effectiveness of what you can get between now and then.

Measuring it out is not a problem either.

So, my question is...how much actual sub will you be able to get between now and December 31?
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby Ready2BDone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:17 pm

I understand, Cheeps. I've slowly been taking less and less over the past few years, but have never actually had the intention of getting off until recently and just don't know how to be successful. I typically learn by trial and error. I get 60 2mg zubsolvs a month. By my calculations I'd need about 75mgs for my original taper plan. BUT, I'd always planned on saving any extras just in case I needed them. Which I probably will.
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby Ready2BDone » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:21 pm

Also, the weeks will be 7 days long. So week 4 I'd still have 7 days at that dose until I wanted to drop again. I could switch it to 10 though. It's not a hard-and-fast taper schedule. It's just if I don't have something on paper I can see, I have a hard time following the taper I suppose. It's always "Well I'll get back on track tomorrow".
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:14 pm

Ok....tomorrow we can work on a taper but what you need to accept is that you must let your body achieve homeostasis between drops and it's not a hard and fast rule on a spread sheet. Otherwise you are in for a much rockier time....you'll need some commitment and patience. If you can accept these changes and go with the flow, your final detox will be much easier.
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Postby Annalo57 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:26 am

Hello Ready2BDone. I'm Anna. I'm doing the liquid taper. I'm way older than you. I'm at .43mg 2 x day. Its' tough, but I'm doing my best to soldier on. Listen to Cheeps. She knows her shit. Welcome to this place. Its a good place. Stick around. :)
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:59 am

Life got on the way of my intention to put a plan on paper. Will try again later.
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Re: 4 mg steady and attempting to taper. Advice?

Postby cheeps » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Here is the liquid taper thread to look at....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3248

Read around to some of the longer threads especially edotz and cheezeeandees threads....they tapered slowly and listened to their bodies...not their minds so much.

But if you want to stay on the pills...that's easy too because you just crush them and make little piles....let me know what you are thinking.
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