Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby Subverted DietDoc » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:50 pm

Thanks Dude, I appreciate that. One of the reasons I want to get this behind me is so I can be more functional and offer this kind of information and care. I got hit with a rough night out of nowhere last night. I can only hope like I’ve had in the past that for some reason it’s an isolated one and not night after night. The clock ticks forward and the question is how much are/were these low dose actually doing to keep me feeling OK and stable? Have you seen what a .04mg piece looks like? It’s an eyelash size. I look at it and think if I feel basically no overt withdrawal on this size piece then I must be home free. But then I think of how potent it is and that while 30-50 times it’s morphine equivalent at low doses. So I don’t know what’s going to happen...and fear of the unknown and all...you get it.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:14 am

How many people are prescribed suboxone in the unites states? Worldwide?

1million, 2million?

Anyway, I was just thinking about how busy this site has been lately, and how that trend will continue more and more... as people start to realize there aren’t any offloading stops on the sub train..
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:47 pm

nomojo3479 wrote:How many people are prescribed suboxone in the unites states? Worldwide?

1million, 2million?

Anyway, I was just thinking about how busy this site has been lately, and how that trend will continue more and more... as people start to realize there aren’t any offloading stops on the sub train..



I worry about this all the time. It's a sad state of affairs in the USA we have to rely on anonymous Internet forums for drug information. I look at a few here and there but this one seems to be more centered around sub and detoxing. The others are really big and you have to dig to find specific content. :gaah:
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:36 am

I want to drop to .60 tomo.. I’ve been having some conflict with the wife about me being sick from my taper... she isn’t really supportive of my tapering down.. (I mean she is in theory, but me being grumpy and sick really bugs her apparently.).
The funny part is I put an addition on my house this summer all so I could have my own bedroom to be a tapering dopesick fool in this winter.. which I have done.
I guess it just sucks, nobody gives a fuck about a taper.. people just have no idea.. like most things I think people see it as black and white and it’s more grey... I want to tell my friends (the few I have) that I’m trying on getting healthy but first I have to be mildly sick for another few months.. nobody will get that. Nobody (irl) seems to get why I don’t want to be social atm..
ok whiny rant over.. things r going well I think.. fully adjusted to liquid taper now.. seems like the dosing is going to be much easier from here on out... cutting those 8mg strips with accuracy was getting tough below 1mg.. I cant recommend the liquid taper style that annalo is doing (with listerine mouthwash) enough.. it’s easy, and I don’t think there is any noticeable difference in how much buprenorphine/naloxone Im absorbing sublingually doing liquid vs strips..
the difference in sub absorption was my main reason for not wanting to switch over to liquid taper but for me the switch has been pretty seamless... no spike or drop in actual dose absorbed (that I could tell)
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby CatsMeow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:14 am

Great news Mojo! Being stable enough to drop to .6 is great! How impressive that you built yourself a room to have to yourself for this low & slow taper. I'm sorry your wife/friends don't understand. I just hope she'll continue to support you. You deserve it. This drug is impossible to understand. Even for those of us on it & tapering.

I'm thrilled to hear that your switch to the liquid taper was a smooth one. Of course we're all concerned about absorption. I know I am. But not so much anymore because you did it and it went just peachy. Good information!

Good luck with your next drop. I hope you'll feel okay. Remember what DietDoc said that it's one more step to victory!
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:01 pm

Mojo....doing this is akin to having a cancer cut out....but it comes back and you go thru several months of treatment. Finally it's gone but one always worries if it's going to return. You can tell your friends that is what it's like to get off this damn drug.

It's time for you to just keep going....sitting still isnt going to be any better.....you gotta keep going. She's sick of the whole thing so it doesn't matter. Would it help if I emailed her?
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby CatsMeow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Wow, great analogy cheeps. It somehow makes this whole taper thing better mentally. I hope my hubs continues to be so supportive. If not, I'll tell him this.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:07 am

Dang, just found out a good friend of mine has relapsed on heroin after 5+ years clean.
in detox he was started back on sub.... he told me he wants to quit sub asap.. he said he tried tapering off( 12mgs a day for 30days) but did it too quickly (like a week) and on the 7th day he had acute sub withdrawals and went back to heroin.. so what do you think is a good taper plan for a person who has been on long term sub before but has only roughly 1 month of heroin and 1month of sub use built up in his system.. before that 5 years clean.. he is on 12mgs a day of sub currently. I told him he could probably taper very aggressively to 2mg and from there he may need to take his time but idk... he has been back on such a short time.. what say y’all?
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby CatsMeow » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:31 am

Oh no Mojo, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. Unfortunately relapse may be ever present after getting clean. Too bad he had to go back on such a high level of sub.

I hope someone can come along with good information and a taper plan for your buddy to get off this shit ASAP. Easier said than done for sure. I agree that he could probably get down to 2 mg rather quickly. I hope so anyway.

This is a horrible situation for your friend, but I hope you continue to do well at .6.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:35 am

He needs to go like this


6mgs for four days
4mgs for ten days
2mgs until he's stable.....
Then he needs to slow down.


Would he come here?
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:02 am

Cheeps, I hope he does... I gave him the site info and told him what handle I use along with a boatload (prob too much) info about sub....so I hope he does.. I think he is pretty active in aa or Na mayb so idk how receptive he is to other options
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:41 pm

nomojo3479 wrote:Cheeps, I hope he does... I gave him the site info and told him what handle I use along with a boatload (prob too much) info about sub....so I hope he does.. I think he is pretty active in aa or Na mayb so idk how receptive he is to other options



This place is either a haven for those who go to meetings and have doubts there....or its hell for them because we aren't steppers.

You did what you could :thumbup: ...now give him space and see what happens. :shrug:
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby Subverted DietDoc » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:30 pm

Mojo...I posted my last long post in my thread, mostly about your question about symptoms. It got bad man...but it didn’t last long. Such a surreal experience actually.

I know sometime soon you’ll be posting about your jump. Zero doubt. Just keep following your heart and guts dude...they got you this far in life and they won’t fail you now.
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