Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:50 am

nomojo3479 wrote:So I dropped to 1.375mg a few days ago.. Sunday I think. It's only a .125 drop... it hasn't been very noticeable (besides not getting as much of a energy/motivation buzz in the hours after my dose.
Anyway, just thought I'd chime in.
btw fuck sub. Someday I'm gonna feel good again. Someday


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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:36 am

Rough night of sleep.. up at 230am.. cheeps (and everyone who has posted), ur encouragement really means a lot... still holding steady at 1.37mg 1x per day.,
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:44 am

nomojo3479 wrote:Rough night of sleep.. up at 230am.. cheeps (and everyone who has posted), ur encouragement really means a lot... still holding steady at 1.37mg 1x per day.,



Just push through and stay busy so that you don't have to think. I have been smoking a little pot before bed to help me sleep.....don't know if that is something you'd consider.

Everyday is a day closer to the other side....and you my friend will get there. Patience! :thumbup:
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby DietDoc » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:12 pm

You are putting Ws on the board everyday. It has been said that character is doing the right when you are sure no one is watching. You have it, you own it.

Ever notice how philosophical you get when persevering through difficult challenges?

Also, I pretty much cry at everything. Cried over a commercial today because it had a dog in it.

Drugs are bad.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:09 am

Still holding at 1.37..
I've been reading some of the older threads and it stumbled me back onto an idea I had earlier in my taper... I've been thinking about going down to Mexico to do a flood dose of ibogaine (post jump). I think it might help with paws issues.. although I can't seem to find any science behind why ibogaine works just anectdotal evidence... seems to work much better for sao addictions so that's why I ruled it out as a quick fix for my sub dependency... but I'm thinking that once I taper down and jump off it might do me some good by helping to reset my screwed up brain chemistry.. anyone have any thoughts on this? Obviously not urgent as I've got months of tapering left to do..
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:11 pm

Mojo....read withthelightsouts thread....he just updated and I think you'll find it helpful!
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:03 am

Just read withthelightsouts thread.. I wish excersizing wasn't so crucial to all of this, because it's literally the last thing I want to do right now... I feel like an old man. Gonna start trying to do some yoga and light cardio today after work. Hope everyone in subsux land has a great day:)
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby WithTheLightsOut » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:35 pm

nomojo3479 wrote:Just read withthelightsouts thread.. I wish excersizing wasn't so crucial to all of this, because it's literally the last thing I want to do right now... I feel like an old man. Gonna start trying to do some yoga and light cardio today after work. Hope everyone in subsux land has a great day:)


Hey, nomo. First and foremost, congratulations on your decision to get off subs. I promise you here and now that you will not regret it.

I did want to clarify my recent update thread where I credited working out/exercising to my avoiding PAWS.

Trust me, I didn't start out hot and heavy with the exercise, not at all. That came with some time. When I was in your shoes (tapering and eventually jumping), I started by walking my dog. No weightlifting, no heavy cardio, again, that all came in time. Once I was somewhere around 1mg or less (forgive me, it's been a year and the exact specifics allude me), I would walk my dog a couple/few times each day. Those walks started by us going around the block a couple of times, and eventually those walks turned into 2+ miles each time. Believe me, I totally get the lack of energy that you're currently experiencing. It was a real bitch to get myself motivated enough to even get out the door each time (each day), but as I would start walking, it became easier and easier. I found the walking particularly helpful when I was only sleeping 2-3 hours (broken up) each night. IMO, going out for a walk with the dog (regardless of the time of day) was much better than laying in bed awake for hours on end and dwelling on how shitty that I felt.

I probably didn't get really serious about working out until I was 3 weeks to a month off subs. From there, I started focusing on weightlifting, running, etc. I returned to my normal body weight within about 3 to 3.5 months after coming off subs (again, I lost about 30 pounds during my sub usage that i didn't need to lose ... and was looking like total shit).

Like I mentioned in my update thread, the thing that scared me the most about getting off of subs wasn't the physical withdrawals; it was the possibility of 6 months to 2 years of PAWS that some were mentioning. While I believe that some do experience this, I also believe that if you have the right mental outlook, are in generally decent health (other than being addicted to an opioid), and attempt to occupy your time with something positive and/or healthy, you can bypass PAWS too. I believe the absolute worst thing you can do for yourself is to sit around and dwell on those shitty feelings. Had I done that, I'm not sure that I would have succeeded.

Keep up the good work. Before you know it, this will all be over and you will truly appreciate just feeling "normal" again. I'll continue checking in as I can. If i can be of any help, don't hesitate to ask. You are definitely in good hands here, though.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby mimiluv » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:59 am

Hi, i've been away for a while.. I just want to give you some hope :D the pain you feel now, the w/d, the mental shit.. will all end one day.. just keep telling yourself YOU CANNOT FEEL LIKE THIS FOREVER cuz I am here to tell you, you won't.. you CAN and WILL do this and make it to the other side..
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:34 pm

Hell ya
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:50 pm

nomojo3479 wrote:Hell ya




Nah...nope....eh eh..... that should be .....















OH, HELL YEAH!!!!!
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby CheeZeeAnnDee » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:55 pm

How's it going mojo?

Just read your ibogaine post. I did it a fucking long time ago and it was intense, changed my life for the better, but I feel like a lot of people want it to be a magic fix when in reality there is no such thing. But, that said, I have it in the back if my mind for if/when paws shows up too. Until I get to that point though, I am trying to do the heavy lifting myself, but that is easy to say when not in the grips of teeth-numbing depression or anxiety.

I also want to comment on the exercise, and say you gotta listen to your body. There have been a few instances where overly vigorous running have made me feel worse, so do your thing and see how you feel. If you feel shitty lying around, get off your ass, if you feel shitty exercising, take a break. That's what I finally realized anyway, but maybe other people have it different.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Tue May 02, 2017 5:45 am

Hey y'all, ya cheezeanndee I have a friend who lives real close to one of those ibogaine clinics in mexico.. so Might give it a a try post jump. I actually called a few before I found subsux.. there s.o.p. For suboxone dependency is to switch u over to morphine for a week and then do the ibogaine.. I found lots of short term opiate dependent people who would say that they felt great after ibogaine.. no sickness.. but zero Long acting opiate people who would say the same.. so lucky us.. seems it's taper or stay on..
I'm gonna keep tapering. Dropping to 1.25 tomo... anyway just thought I'd post.. no one had posted in a few days. Hope all is well in subsux land. Oh and what's up cheeps.. u alright?
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Wed May 03, 2017 7:07 am

Idk how the fuck y'all did this (taper down and jump and then be opiate free).. It Seems so overwhelming.
And honestly, idk if I have the heart to get it done. Feels like I'm fucked either way... taking more sub doesn't help (I still feel like dog shit)... and taking less sub just fucking hurts.
God damn the motherfuckers who came up with this shit... rant out..

hope y'all have a good day, sorry for being all dramatical.. just feeling like what the fucking fuck this am... I don't get much of any relief from my sub dose anymore.. just feels like my brain is screaming at me for more dope 24/7
it keeps talking to me.. saying go cop some dope, just a bag so u can get some real rest,
But I know that will only fuck up my taper.. and my resolve and open a door that's been shut a long time.

Things aren't going well with the wife.. she expects me to be happy (because I was for a few weeks when I got down to 2mg) ... she think I'm purposely being sullen and withdrawn and if I just tried harder I could be happy and have energy.


Idk I should be tougher than Iam.. mayb I should take one of my benzos.. but I know I don't need it. Physical symptoms are basically none.. it's just the stress, it's like I can't handle any at all.,
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Wed May 03, 2017 12:31 pm

Mojo......do not drop just yet. HOw many days ave you been wonky? You need only a slight decrease this next drop.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Wed May 03, 2017 12:34 pm

I wan you to tell your wife this.....what you are experiencing now is like her being pregnant with triplets at eight months and no end in sight. That's your mental anguish comparison that she might understand. :shred: :banghead:

Make sure and tell her a woman told you this and to let her know that it's brain hormones that are changing. Akin the process to being a rolling mass of endocrindal hell. Tell her tha getting off this shit is like the worst rollercoaster ride in the world for a person terrified of heights.

If you need to...give her my email. :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby A7dream » Sun May 07, 2017 8:15 am

Hey there Mojo

So I just finished your thread , wow I didn't realize you were in the middle of a taper too. Its nice to see someone else who is going through this. Are you holding for a min. or have you dropped again yet ? How are you this week?
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby cheeps » Sun May 07, 2017 11:27 am

I think you two should be jumpbuddies. You can trade off liquid tips.
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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:05 am

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Re: Intro and taper (10 year sub user)

Postby nomojo3479 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:07 am

cheeps wrote:I think you two should be jumpbuddies. You can trade off liquid tips.

Lol, I could use a buddy... it seems like a7 is on a much faster pace than me tho, I'm like barely functioning so my taper has been less than aggressive
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