1, 2, 3... jump...

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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Don_Pisto » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:41 pm

Felicitaciones Grant y Sindy. That is very inspiring to see you two doing well. I will soon be in your same position but I have still have some work to do. If the slow taper also works good for me and I avoid the awful acute wds, I will be careful not to fall into a false hope thinking that it will always be easy to get off of subs, so when I do finish, I'm burning and flushing any and all leftover subs otherwise I can see myself a year from now probably caving in to the temptation. Stay strong and thank you for helping so many here by sharing your journey.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby grant9120 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:10 am

jules i thought u didnt jump cause i didnt here from you....u should start a jump thread....we need slow taper jump threads
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby cheeps » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:07 am

She needs to be SMACKED!!!! :twisted: Most of her story is in Sindysuns thread.....hell she's EVERYWHERE!!! :wired: :wired: :wired: :blowme:
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Justjules13 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:45 pm

I've never had my own thread... I prefer to remain incognito, under the radar, as they say. 8-)
I jumped dec 9th. No physical withdrawals... And minimal mental ones.
Hope your doing good too Grant.
How's the job? Are you still liking it?
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Sindysun » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:40 pm

I think Jules' journey is documented on my thread like Cheeps said..... among other places. Jules absolutely does get around:)

I'm going to definitely start a jump thread in the next couple weeks or so when I jump. I will need a new place to whine.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Justjules13 » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:08 pm

Your a trooper SinD...and you whine away. We definitely sympathize because we have been there!
Non-drug addicts think "what a bunch of babies they don't look sick " but they have no idea!!
You whine all you want...you've earned it!
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby daisys » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:35 pm

You have my sympathies. I am14 months clean and still.in bad paws. It seems we over 40 have it the worst. I have no m. otovation, am depressed, anti social and at my wits end. Tapering does not do anything to limit paws. I went to 0125 slowly and had no body symptoms. Its paws we got to beat. I know people who jumped from 8mg 4mg etc and did not complain of phusical withdrawals. Sub gives mostly.mild.withdrawals. it is paws that make people relapse. I have taken various Anti depressants, vitimins, acupuncture, bike riding etc nothing made a difference. It seems every 3 months
paws get worse. Sub must do damage to our brains for us to feel.bad this long. Older we get the worst it is. Now I have heard over 40s may never feel same again, even my quack shrink says over 40s will struggle and need to go on.meth as lifer. That idea is same as paws to.me.. I know for a fact its sub related. I can't live like this and have exhausted all avenues. These past 14 months have been worse of my life, thats god honest truth. To all.u going ladies and dudes please get off sub now. This is bad . paws from.sub and meth are devil.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Sindysun » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:46 pm

Well that sounds encouraging:)
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Justjules13 » Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:54 pm

daisys wrote:You have my sympathies. I am14 months clean and still.in bad paws. It seems we over 40 have it the worst. I have no m. otovation, am depressed, anti social and at my wits end. Tapering does not do anything to limit paws. I went to 0125 slowly and had no body symptoms. Its paws we got to beat. I know people who jumped from 8mg 4mg etc and did not complain of phusical withdrawals. Sub gives mostly.mild.withdrawals. it is paws that make people relapse. I have taken various Anti depressants, vitimins, acupuncture, bike riding etc nothing made a difference. It seems every 3 months
paws get worse. Sub must do damage to our brains for us to feel.bad this long. Older we get the worst it is. Now I have heard over 40s may never feel same again, even my quack shrink says over 40s will struggle and need to go on.meth as lifer. That idea is same as paws to.me.. I know for a fact its sub related. I can't live like this and have exhausted all avenues. These past 14 months have been worse of my life, thats god honest truth. To all.u going ladies and dudes please get off sub now. This is bad . paws from.sub and meth are devil.



Please remember...THIS IS YOUR EXPERIENCE!
99.9% of people who jump from above 1mg experience physical WD for at least a month.
Your not going to get better with your defeatist attitude. And telling everyone that their doomed as you believe YOU are isn't truthful or helpful.
YOU are having a hard time...not everyone does. I tapered to .02mg and had ZERO WD and tapering slowly to nothing DOES prevent PAWS in a lot of cases..
How long is your opiate history? You can't just blame sub for your PAWs. How many yrs where you on methadone? I was on 12 yrs at 140mg and I expect to pay for my bad choices...but tapering sub slowly to nothing will help.
It's true it gets harder the older you get...I'm 57... But it's not permanent and it has a lot to do with attitude..if you think your doomed....your fucken doomed!
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Sindysun » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:18 pm

Jules is right. Don't generalize and scare ppl into staying on sub. If i would have read mostly negative and hopeless post like that whe I first came here I probably wouldn't have made the choice to start tapering off sub.

You have stayed off of sub 14 mos so there must be a pay off for you. Behavior is dictated by positive or negative results. I just find it difficult to believe that these are the worst 14 mos of your life and you still choose to remain sub/opiate free. I think more likely you experience periodic PAWS, have a really long opiate use history and posted during a bad time.
I hope you feel better.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Justjules13 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:49 am

I agree...I bet you are just having a low time...otherwise you'd be finding opiates somewhere...
Get mad at sub! It's the enemy...but, YOU have to take responsibility for your part in this, and expect some bad times. For every ying there's a yang!
You will feel better. I was off opiates for 14 months last time..and it did take me about 8 months to feel 98% better. We sometimes expect to feel like that 25 yr old who first started taking pills when we are 50, and that's just not going to happen...
Get out and walk, eat well and THINK POSITIVELY.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby gutetime30 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:02 am

Well im 22! Hopefully i have tons of energy when im better!
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby grant9120 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:27 pm

83 days. boom. almost to 3 months
-Oxy in 08, Subs 09-14
-spent 3 months tapering and forming better habits
-jumped from .05 mg on 10/13 and felt no difference between the last few weeks of the taper and cutting completely. little to no withdrawal.

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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby cheeps » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:42 pm

grant9120 wrote:83 days. boom. almost to 3 months



Go GRANT!!!!!!! :kiss: :banana: :banana: :banana: 3 bananas for 3 months.
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby Sindysun » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:02 pm

It seems like yesterday. I'm sure not to you though:) really really great!
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3 months

Postby grant9120 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:12 am

I've hit 3 months. 92 days. absolutely zero symptoms....

last anything i felt was around 40 days.... some lingering anxiety. never had sleep problems. energy is pretty good. no more poo issues.

i was shoveling the driveway.... and i was like "this is so weird. i had totally forgot i used to be on drugs, because i feel completely normal."

its like it never happened. besides the years i lost.
-Oxy in 08, Subs 09-14
-spent 3 months tapering and forming better habits
-jumped from .05 mg on 10/13 and felt no difference between the last few weeks of the taper and cutting completely. little to no withdrawal.

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Re: 3 months

Postby cheeps » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:09 am

grant9120 wrote:I've hit 3 months. 92 days. absolutely zero symptoms....

last anything i felt was around 40 days.... some lingering anxiety. never had sleep problems. energy is pretty good. no more poo issues.

i was shoveling the driveway.... and i was like "this is so weird. i had totally forgot i used to be on drugs, because i feel completely normal."

its like it never happened. besides the years i lost.




You're a lucky fucker for sure! Has Freddie bothered you at all?
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby grant9120 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:32 pm

who is freddy? .... krueger?
-Oxy in 08, Subs 09-14
-spent 3 months tapering and forming better habits
-jumped from .05 mg on 10/13 and felt no difference between the last few weeks of the taper and cutting completely. little to no withdrawal.

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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby cheeps » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:24 pm

Why....it's Freddie the fucker....your base brain voice!
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Re: 1, 2, 3... jump...

Postby grant9120 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:05 am

123 days. 4 months. man... time flies when your havin fun! lol
-Oxy in 08, Subs 09-14
-spent 3 months tapering and forming better habits
-jumped from .05 mg on 10/13 and felt no difference between the last few weeks of the taper and cutting completely. little to no withdrawal.

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