Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

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Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:53 pm

I am a brand new 20 year old, turned 20 on July 19, 2012. I quit 4 mg of Suboxone CT from about 4 months of use after relapsing from H on July 17, 2012. It was a shitty birthday we can say that. But I decided I had to grow up, I am a collegian athlete (soccer) and WAS on a full ride scholarship straight out of High School. I quit because I lost the scholarship and decided I had to get it back, so i did exactly what this forum said. I stopped right that second with the epiphany that my life isnt over, anyways I could tell you the long background of this story but it would waste as much time as me telling you im not going to tell you.

Anyways, I do not believe there is anything as a average Suboxone addict and I definately do not fit into that category. Long story short, my WD's were pretty harsh but the Acute phase is definately over and was over much sooner than most people on here say and I jumped at 4 mg. So dont be scared about the horror stories. Anyways im rambling, the point of this thread was to ask about tips for minimizing P.A.W.S. I am 6'2 and in season around 170..not much weight to lose and i have forced myself to get back into working out and i am again trainging daily with my team after only 14 days (started light trainging at 10) but at the moment working out and playing sports is the only thing that takes my mind off of P.A.W.S and really helps with everything overall, but with having to train for college and being so fucking bored that all i want to do is play guitar or work out I am burning way more carbs then I can possibly force down, which is really the only problem im having. Anyways, I am actually gaining some of the precious weight i couldnt afford to lose that I did when lose when I went oh I dunno 8 days on like 400 calories a day max. So at the moment I cant definately feel the effects of Caloric Loss>Caloric Intake. My muscles stay sore and I am just not getting enough nutritonal value at the moment to continue the one thing that gives me the drive to beat this shit. I can not stop training with my team, but im going to slow down on the working out.
Question being, what are other outlets people have found to help minimize P.A.W.S. and if anyone has foods that are easy to get down with high nutritonal value that they have found help it would be very appreciated. Obviously by this post you can tell my brain is still in a fog and I apologize but this battle isnt over yet and this forum seems to be the most honest no bs place to get advice. and ill take it all with a grain of salt and feel free to be brutally honest. I got tought skin and would prefer then BS of your going to be alright. :banghead:
Thanks for any and all advice, support, and help.
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby cheeps » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:35 pm

It's very good that you have stuff to DO...it will take your mind away from how shitty you might feel. I was looking at nutrition while on drugs last nigh. I'm going to post stuff about PAWS in the PAW thread.

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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Mrblazed » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:24 pm

If u were only on subs for four months at a
low dose like four mgs you of course will get the acute very fast I would say a week tops and paws due to ur short lenght of use of suboxone should be minimal. To be honest ur lucky u found out what u did and
quick took my two years of sub at 32mg to even think about stoping. And by then it seemed to late at the time. Now that ur off never go back on sub put it in ur mind going back
on sub is a death sentance. It would be better to relaspe on a soa then sub. Count ur self lucky u should
be outta the woods very soon. I feel like u should allready be feeling good sinc you have been off sub as long as u were on it. How long Id u do h for befor sub? The best way to
minimize paws is eat well and work out as much as u can and of
course the big one is time nothing else will
probly help and meds can make thing worse. Just give
it time!!! And u should be out soon hang
in there!
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:04 pm

Yeah I really do feel like im at out of the woods for the most part, but im very very reluctant to say that, many addicts who thought they were out of the woods, especially me, and then fell back but honestly my life is back where it should, people are seeing me and noticing im not in a daze and now everyone wants to be my friend again, of course..when i dont want to talk to anyone :banghead: Honestly im just focused on my goals at the moment and I know how lucky I am that I decided to read on Suboxone before i kept going. I went from selling OC's in HS and using em heavily from about my junior year, freshman year in college i made the jump to H when I ended up doing all my OC's i needed to sell. So I had a decent amount of use. Maintained a 3.3 GPA and held my scholarship somehow till everything came down on me first semester this year. I finally got clean, and found out I had to have my gal bladder taken out, and that I had to red shirt the entiiiiiiiiire season (some of you may not understand the impact this has on athletes that train daily) but i stayed clean till my surgery when they pumped me full of morphine every hour on the hour. When I could stop taking the Vicodin for pain I was still having minor WD and decided to try subs. Ty for help nice to hear someone say im nearly there. 32 mg a day gd what is that 4 of the 8mg strips?
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Mrblazed » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:39 pm

I take subutex so it's four of the 8mgs tablets. I used to play lacrosse and played attack I
know what it is like to even miss a few days let alone a whole season. I had to quit
playing the first week in 10th grade thanks to realy
bad lower back injury had me fucked for about
a whole year and then I was heeled but thanks
to pain was a addicted. I too started with oc and was selling it threw the years I supposed to
be in high school (I droped out right afte I hurt myself) and went threw allmost the same as u just
got on h quicker and subs quicker and stayed on them
longer I'm clean now on dy three but when I get outta
inpatention at fairfax on Monday I will probly
be taking a .5 dose and stay at that work down and jump. I just really want u to know how
much I respect u for what ur Doing even after four month I know u felt wd probly
pretty strong but you are allso very lucky or smart that u stope wheb u did. I truly beleave that around six moths after I started sub is when they had me bad I mean bad and i wish I gave up then. I guess Im
just not a quiter ;). Keep up the job work keep healthy as far as eating and try to work out it will
go so far to healing. And keep focused on ur goals and what u HAVE to do this is ur life and is nothig to fuck with u have made it so far never look back but also never forget what u went threw because I do feel living threw what we have makes u a better person. I know drug addiction has made
it so I appreatr things more even just sleeping and sanity. I allso feel
like addiction helped me find what I want and what life is about.
I went so far the wrong way I never want to go back
again. Keep it up I know you will kick ass at living life without evil so sucking opiods. Congratrs u have ur filing life back now go fucking live it and love it! Peace and love, Christian T.
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:09 pm

I read someone on this sites little signature thing, that really hit me deep and like a freight train. If I could go back and change it all, I wouldn't. If we didnt know joy would we know sorrow? Pain vs. Excstacy? I feel like ive been in a spot which so much pain and sorrow, anything else really is pure joy. Keep up the good work, I wont say live your life one day at a time because I have never really quite agreed on that mantra. I dont know about you, but I do not plan on dying anytime soon so I actually do have a stake in tomorrow (one of my problems with NA, but there is some value on just focusing on Today depending on your level of need) but my stake in tomorrow and a better day is all I have had to hold on through this mother fucking roller coaster. But I will say there is no sense in stressing about what happened yesterday, because that game is over and the ref is not going to change the score, just remember the mistakes you made during the game, go over them in your head like your watching film of yourself playing lacrosse, but its watching how you have played the chess game of life instead. Stay strong, you went to detox and if I can do it you can do it. Its an athlete thing, ill make sure to keep checking these forums, in case I, or you, need someone to vent to, ill make sure i can fit in checking this page daily. Keep it up
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Golden1 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:14 am

Actually it was "If I could go back and do it all over again, I WOULDN'T." Amen to that!
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Postby MyPainIsYours » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:04 am

I sure as hell wouldn't!!
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:15 am

Made me what I am today. and I changed the quote slightly, even though most people will connect the dots like you did, there is no reason to advertise to the world that one of the things keeping me sober is a quote that was written in ink on the internet undersomeones slick name about SS. whatever works right?
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Mrblazed » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:58 pm

It's funny because during my last jump I focused on "even if u fall right on ur face, at least ur moving forward." that one mention alot to me I feel like going out of ur way to put ur self Into wd takes a certainty kind of person. To be honest u kind of have to a risk taking person Imo. And I allways felt like going into self induced withdrawl was like pulling the rugg fom under ur own feet. So I allways felt like I was falling flat on my face and could not catch my
self. It was nice to just read in some random ss queto box something so deep I even looked up the man viktor that said it and he made himself into a huge corp. That made him very wealthy and isn't that what we are kinda doing when we jump. I know life on the drugs sucks but for a while it sucks alot more off then on. So it takes "balls" to jump. Anyways kinda rambling very stoned :) in a mental hostpital ;) coming off sub oh boy what a tangled web we weive......
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Postby Golden1 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:43 pm

Being on the other side of 50, I'm not much of a fan of doing foolish things to build character anymore. You know what they say, "smart people learn from their mistakes, REALLY smart people learn from other people's mistakes. I wasn't connecting the dots, I just liked it better the other way. My life would be much better today if I hadn't been stupid enough to become a dope addict. To each his own.
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:48 pm

I feel like thats the biggest problem. When you have the Flu, your fucked. not much you can do to take it away so you resignedly except what you cant change. But with WD's you CAN make yourself feel better. Actually, today, after my kick ass interview my old sub connect called me and told me had subs. I was so proud of myself, I didnt even hesitate before explaining i finally beat the withdrawals and was moving on with my life. He is a good friend and it was hard but he is respectful and we agreed we will talk at a later date (when he decides to quit opiates. I may not be WD'ing anymore but put some perc 30's in front of me or some dope im right back where I was, so I dont put myself in that situation.)
and golden1...thank you very much for not knocking it, and thats a brilliant quote, and I can admit I had never heard that before...guess thats the other benefit of being on the other side of 50. You have lived, at a minimum, 10 years longer than I have even been alive. And I cant even find the silver lining in that argument to play devils advocate...
But I can in mine where I believe we are having a mis communication thing. Yes if I had known what it would do to me my life would probably be better if I never started opiates. But I did and I can not change it, and now honestly im not worried about falling back into it because I have been to rock bottom at age 20. Seems like if your going to go through hell you should get it over with as early as you can.
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Mrblazed » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:56 pm

I'm 21 now turning 22 in nov. And when I was 20 I tryedd to stop but it didn't stick now allmost two years later I'm still in the same place don't make the same mistake I did evey year you add the harder and wrorse wd u will have. Keep up the good fight and don't forget what the chips are they are for ur life and it's a gamble that if u play ur probly gonna lose. In the casino called adiction the chips at allways stacked agenst u so don't play the game ever again or next time it might be more then pride u loose.
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:49 pm

oh I lost a LOT more then my pride.. :suicide:
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby Jumpbunny » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:13 pm

How ru doin? Thx for ur post on my thread :) hope ur doin great, congrats on ur recovery n new job. Always nice to hear success stories. Big hugs.
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Postby subster58 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:35 am

congrat to all who have quit subs, or in the process. being young is so much better. At my ole age detox and depression kicked my ass. Sara what drugs were you on while looking up nutrition :boobshake: :boobshake:
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:27 pm

Sorry I have been extremely busy lately and not being a good SubSuxer and posting, but things are going amazing for me right now. Lifes never been better, I wish I could post more but I gotta run to work! stay strong
-Sub free since July 17, 2012 mf'ers!!!, I know I should be posting on here more to help people in my shoes im trying to make time!!!
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Postby Jumpbunny » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 pm

So happy for ya!!
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Postby Justjules13 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:46 pm

Thanks Low! Glad to see your doing good...you better come back and post once in a while....you get all sub free and dash?? Lol...
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Re: Tips for minimizing P.A.W.S?

Postby sublows » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:07 pm

I know im sorry I have been so busy doing and today my guilt got the better of me. btw, I realize how far fetched this all must seem, because my best friend/mom/dad/anyone else who really knew what I was going through are all telling me there has to be either A. Karma (I have been doing everything possible to help everyone possible since I came off subs, just my way of not thinking about my own personal problems) B. Some form of whatever higher power you may believe in, because literally, as soon as I was able to get up and start doing things, my life has improved exponentially daily, I was never a religious person, and in no way do I believe in "mans version of god"(Im sorry no one will change my views on this, and I will never ask you to conflict yours) and I really find it hard to not see a higher powers hand at work here. Not only has nearly every dealership I have walked into for a Sales Associate possition has either A. Given me an interview B. Has an interview pending C. In two excedingly rare cases, after filling out an application, and receiving an on the spot interview(yes, it was one of those days in the dealerships where it was just slow) I was offered a position on the spot.
I am currently working...more doing training/certifications at a dealership in AZ, though it is an excedingly far drive, but really I am waiting to see the which dealership offers me the best deal....Who'd of thought a cleaned up Heroine/sub addict would have not only these opportunities, but have the opportunity to choose which opportunity to take...waiting to hear from a CarMax which has a "no haggle" price system, :o
I always used to have this spark, where I could captivate a person within the first initial moments of a conversation, I "thought" I had lost this spark, maybe because I wasnt the dreamy eyed little kid anymore, this isnt so. I realized, when im alert, I still have all that spark and have been told nearly everday I have brightened someones day I encountered.
Sorry for ranting, I hadnt posted in a while and finally had time to brag (im vain I know, but thats at least im doing it where no one knows my actual name and identity, so really im bragging up an online I.D.) But in all sincerity, this post was more of a deep and sincere thank you to this web site and my chance to add my $0.02 to a life after addiction, and to show any young individuals struggling on here just how much easier we have it then the, shall we say "over the hill" group...COMPARATIVELY(no harm intended :)) I really dont know if I would have made it through the hellish nightmare I went through with out this website, and from the view from behind my shades lately, I have always been able to see the silver lining in situations,and I thought this website could use a TRUE story that sheds some light and hope on a better tomorrow for all of those suffering from addicition.
-With so much love and sincerity
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