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Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:06 am

Hey guys! I'm feeling a lot of similar sentiment that most everyone here has gone through. Basically (I can tell more in depth another time). The past 3 years have been rough. I don't remember the last time I was excited about life or I woke up wanting to live. So I'm trying to start over I just moved to a great area and really if I can deal with this I'll have a promising future. I've made my prescription last just about two months doing a taper. I went to 16 mg from 32 in a year. More recently 16 to about a 1/4 1/8 ish. I'm trying to take vitamins, eating right etc seems to help. Since the subs I haven't cared, I let myself get so run down, malnourished, dehydrated. Anyway this jump has been the worst, but working out seems to help..even forcing myself to do so. I wish I could explain how I manage to wipe out. But I fell last night, one of those falls that takes you 10 minutes to get up...maybe bc my body is going through so much but its incredibly painful. I'm pissed off bc I need my foot to work and im already going through severe w/d now, I'm wondering if I should just stop now if its just going to prolong my suffering... Why wait?
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:29 pm

Stop what?

Bailey, I'm trying to figure out exactly what you jumped off....is that .5 or .25 or is it 2mgs....which is a quarter of a strip or pill.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:16 pm

I'm between a 1/4-1/8 of a 8 mg pill. Unfortunately this jump has been the most difficult and I'm already having bad w/DS. Also the one thing that seemed to help is working out and I sprained my ankle so I'm hoping it heals quickly. I swear no matter how much water I drink I'm constantly in a state of dehydration. I'm just wondering if I'm going to be going through something similar should I just stop all together? I have clonidine and it seems to help with the subsequent high blood pressure. It's been going up to 150+ since I started the taper.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:28 pm

You need to cut yourself some serious slack...you've jumped off a high dose....most tapers last months and months and peeps try to get to .25 to .125 of a mg....not 1mg as you have done.

Pat yourself on the back....pull up your whites and keep going....drink water until you are water....it pushes the toxins out...pure water not Gatorade.


How many days are you clean now?

How many days without any opiate? Take the clonidine as needed for a week or two....if you have muscle relaxers, take them to relax.

This detox needs to be your last...push thru it, stay busy but don't try to work I f it's dangerous. The flu has been going around....tell peeps you have it if you need to.

Keep posting ...use private message PM to me, bupepoop, yup, don pisto, syd, or ratch. Read here if you can, listen to music, take hot baths....you know this is hard to do....but don't wimp out.

Look....we don't judge...if you can't take it....you can taper more....but if you've made it this far...you need to keep going...it will remind you that detox is not to be taken lightly.

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Re: Could use some insight

Postby Mrguild » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:12 am

I was addicted to opiates for over 20 years. I went to rehab in 2010 and was put on suboxone. I stayed on it for almost 5 years, 24 milligrams each day. When my insurance ran out to pay for my subs, I had no choice but to buy them illegally. When I could no longer afford to buy them, I tried tapering down. I got down to 1 mg per day,. But when I stopped taking my 1 mg, I still suffered horribly with dt's. I realized that getting off suboxone is harder than getting off opiates. I tried kratom which didn't help. My best friend is a chemist and he suggested trying 5htp and vitamin b6. I did what he said and although I was still dope sick for 30 days, it truly took the edge off and helped me get off on the devil suboxone.
This Monday will be 2 years suboxone free and I've never relapsed. I pray that this post helps someone. Don't give up,. As I approached 2 months, 3 months,. I could truly feel my brain rewiring itself and making things clearer. We don't have to let drugs dictate our lives,. We can beat this. Best of luck my friends. Keep fighting the good fight.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:57 am

Thanks guild, amazing what Drs have done concerning their patience. It is a crime, a Crime to put someone on a large amount and not know how to detox them. How long did you taper . Many Drs think it's like short acting opiates, SAO's and tell you to do a two week taper, when even a two month taper isn't enough.

I've always told peeps that you must advocate for all your medical concerns and meds. But NOWHERE on a medical website is there a warning on the dangers of sub.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:56 pm

Ya I've been on subs for about 3 years. Even now it's been 24 hours and I'm hot/sweaty/cold flashes. I'm def terrified for taking that plunge but it will be worth it. And I'm 28. It's crazy how it's isn't in a different class of narcotics!
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:49 pm

So.....do you feel that tapering a little lower will help? Chipping gets you in trouble if you can't control it. You can use like a tenth of a mg...which is .1 on the Richter scale.....a blip....a speck....every few days to help with wds....but if it goes beyond twice....you aren't in control.


Do you have access to any SAOs? Or any other comfort meds. You might need to ditch the sub....like burn it or trash it somehow.

I'm glad you are getting off before you are 30. It gets REALLY hard after that unless you are a gym rat. Drink water dude!!
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby Mrguild » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:05 am

I tried tapering off a dozen times over a 2 year period and I had no success. I only was able to free myself of the suboxone demon after my best friend, who is a chemist, recommended to me that I should take vitamin b6, 5htp, and natural gaba,. I was still somewhat dope sick for 30-45 days, but I was able to finally tolerate the sickness. I swear on the souls of everyone that I love that it really worked. I'm 2 years suboxone free because of it. Best of luck my friends, keep fighting the good fight.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby syd » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:20 am

Bailey did you go from 16mg to .25 in 2 months? Or did I misunderstand?
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am

Mrguild....could you make a thread with a rundown of your situation and how you started using the supplements....it helps us focus on the person who need help.....when peeps are in the middle of detox hell, they may not be able to get those products. We have a thread about aminos, could you add to that? Thanks..your info is important as long as you aren't trying to sell a specific product line.

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Re: Could use some insight

Postby subster58 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:09 pm

Hi Baily and welcome to SS. That's one hell of a jump. Is there anyway you can get any more subs or SAO's to help you detox?
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:48 am

Yes. Actually less time probably been 5-6 months. I really just want it to be over. I have clonidine but it doesn't help much and vitamins. I went 48 hours with out taking anything and took an 1/8 and was a little buzzed actually.. Which is insane bc I can take 3 with nothing.. So that's good tho right.. Means my tolerance is way down ? I have access to benzos if needed. My biggest concern is my blood pressure has been very high as a result. I've never had high blood pressure. I also take wellbutrin and adderall but I think the last jump I'm gonna take half of my adderall dose or skip a day or 2..enough to not increase the anxiety but also not bring on withdrawals from that. Do you think that will affect anything.. Bc both affect the dopamine levels?
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:48 am

Weeks not months
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:11 pm

Ditch the adder all.....that shit is not good at this time....very bad! You can buy clonidine online....

Now you have found out that even A small piece of sub is very powerful never never go back to more than .25 never.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby subster58 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:27 pm

Baily, cheeps is right on. get rid of the Adderall. Your blood pressure is going up due to detoxing. Adderall is just legal speed which you don't need now. Stick with the clonidine to help keep your blood pressure down. Cheeps is the medication person, that's just my 2 cents.
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:04 pm

Hey guys! Yesterday I took a spec of a sub really so today is like day 2 but really day one. I took 2 clonidine/melatonin and finally fell asleep around 4 to about 930. I'm feeling a little restless but not much energy. I felt like I had a light flu today. I also had some muscle spasms in my face..it was crazy I could see the muscles moving in the mirror. I took 20 mg of loperamide and it seemed to help the stomach stuff and overall wds. It does give me a little chest tightness like anxiety. I'm constantly drinking water and trying to eat even little things through the day. Anyway here's to hopefully an easier week then anticipated
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:57 pm

Oh hell yeah....you are doing it!
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby bailey3218 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:17 pm

It's crazy mentally I feel better...I can't remember the last time I felt enthusiastic about life. I don't want to be overzealous and overwhelm myself...isn't the 72 hour mark the height of the worst of it?
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Re: Could use some insight

Postby cheeps » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:46 pm

No....it's the start when it comes to sub. Wds coming 4-7 days is more the norm. You'll be alright...don't fear because that adds stress...just go with the flow. Drink lots of water and try to use walking, jogging, hot showers, and music to calm yourself. If you have to work...it is flu season and most people don't want to be around a sick person.
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