Yes, I got hooked on kratom after being of the BUPES for over a couple years.. I will say that the detox from BUPES is the most painful thing I have ever gone through, and avise Anyone whos Dr says to start on 32mg to get lost. That huge dose just gets you hooked cause of the Half-Life in them, and just not a good idea. The thing to do is go about 8mg a day then taper down soon as you know the other junk is gone. I was on them for a long time, and I tell you it was the scariest detox ever, and the pain was so unreal (jumping off at like 1mg a day, but had been taking for over a year and tapered down), I would shake and sweat and just pass out cause the pain was so bad....I would wake up sweating and gasping for air and just amazed I was still alive. I mean, it was some unreal scary shit that I didn't see anyone else really talking about, so I was really freaked out, but this forum and the support helped me vent and was so kind to me, and helped me through it. And even though I was down to like 1mg a day for a week or so before jumping off, it was BEYOND IMAGINATION ON HOW BAD THAT DETOX WAS AND HOW LONG IT LASTED! NO exaggeration.1 month almost it was I was in the bed, first week solid=TERROR. After the first week it got better, and I could eat a lil and move some, but really was a full 60 days (I think) that it took me to get back to self.
But I have some news for people using KRATOM to help. I had never heard of it back then or I would have tried, just out of desperation, but I was a fool and didn't look deep enough online to find how bad the KRATOM detox would be, so as a manager of a nutrition store, after having so many people come in asking for it, and calling it a miracle all natural pain reliever and described it as Adderall mixed with heroin, and being clean from the BUPES for years, I decided I would try some.... And let me tell you... IT WAS ALL THEY SAID AND MORE for me. So I was blow away. I was hooked quick, and this stuff is good, I mean it is good... And didn't hear anything negative online about it, so I went off on it for almost a year. Got up to like 60g a day (max -like 15g 4x a day), then tapered down to like 5g a day (total) and jumped off.
I have never had such weird WDs in my life. It was the worst panic attacks and sadness I think a person could possibly feel coming off that stuff. So my point in this is NOT to glorify KRATOM, cause I really think it is stronger than BUPES, if the dose is high, a day you keep that 'glow' for hours, but I will tell you, it will probably get you off the BUPES, and won't show on a regular UA, but DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIES OF NO WDs With it. I Couldn't eat or sleep for almost 7 days, I mean unreal severe hallucinations that really sent me to a whole nother world. I'm not joking. That stuff IS NOT SAFE AND VERY ADDICTIVE! It wasn't as painful as the BUPES WDs, but the mentality I was in, and have gone through are sofar beyond BUPES, that I can't even describe. I mean, I used to hear acid trip stories of meeting God and laugh them off, but this stuff will REALLY make It happen. I never experienced anything like it. NOTHING.
So my point is long, but it is a very very honest warning of how bad that crap is and how you will not have ever experienced nothing like it in your life. So... DO NOT USE KRATOM EVER. IT IS THE MOST INSANE THING I HAVE EVER MESSSED WITH AND THE WDs WILL TAKE YOU ON A TRIP NO MAN WOULD WISH ON ANYONE. Do not listen to the lies online of how it is not addictive. It is VERY ADDICTIVE, and will make you want to kill yourself when coming off of. It may sound and seem like a safe alternative to those sorry subs, but I tell you do not get hooked on it. You will wished you were never born. And that may sound like a tall tale, but I am not kidding....I mean, someone has GOT to tell the truth about that stuff. It is a very very hallucigeic detox that no doctors can even offer help for. They say they never heard of it. So this is just a word to the wise... Do not ever decide to pick up KRATOM, not for detox help or just as a free lil pain buster for daily life. And I may sound a little dramatic, but I'm telling you something very valuable, believe me.
Anyway, thanks again for all the support you guys gave me while I freaked out on the BUPE WDs. But also, be so very careful if you use that other 'natural' plant to up you kick with. If you wanna really stay clean, just don't touch nothing but the basics these vets in here tell you is OK to take. Idk how that KRATOM is even still legal, stay away from it plz. Just trust me on this. And once again, no drama intended, but man, idw NOBODY to have to go through that kinda WDs as well as BUPE. Thanks and I hope this helps someone cause I'm really shocked and blessed to be alive after this last battle.